Inspiring Photo: Girl at station #16077502

Girl at station

Uploaded: August 15, 2023 14:40:21 | Entered: August 15, 2023 14:41:45

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Cliff Threadgold September 24, 2023

A great shot Alejandro, well deserved winner. #1806336

Patrick Rouzes September 24, 2023

Congrats on your beautiful GPW, Alejandro! #12053941

Bob D. Hall September 25, 2023

Big congrats on this wonderful GPW winner, Alwjandro!! #12054034

Patrick Rouzes September 25, 2023 5

Alejandro, I did not see the "created with AI" comment. Your photo is beautiful, but I feel AI does not belong in photo contests. I am totally fine with people who feel disagree that opinion. Eventually-I feel- it will take the fun and creativity out of photography and photo contests. I feel bad having to say this, but I have to say what I feel. Very soon it will be impossible to tell the difference between AI generated photos and traditional photos and many good photographers will not be able to compete fairly with people who use AI. Hope I did not ruin your excitement of winning the GP and I still feel it is beautiful. That was difficult to express as diplomatically as humanly possible. I have a knack of unintentionally getting myself involved in uncomfortable situations, and often have trouble trying to articulate that there is no ill intent. #12054041

Patrick Rouzes September 25, 2023 1

My Congrats still stands! #12054042

Candice C. Calhoun September 25, 2023 3

With respect, I agree with Patrick and hope that exif data will show the difference between a photograph and an AI generated image. Perhaps a separate contest category? Congratulations! ccc #12054095

Melinda F. Schneider September 25, 2023 2

A stunning image but I, too, agree with Patrick and Candice. A different category for AI images would solve the dilemma that many of us are feeling. And since some of us did not initially realize that this was an AI generated image, perhaps Jim did not either. Here's hoping for a new AI category so that everyone feels on an equal playing field. #12054096

Terry Cervi September 25, 2023 3

I just realized that this gorgeous image was created with AI. I feel the same as Paddy, Candace and Melinda. Perhaps this should go into a separate category. It's beautiful but I don't think it can fairly compete in a traditional photo contest. I hate to put a damper on your win. Respectfully, Terry #12054104

Errick L. Cameron September 25, 2023 1

I commend you on sharing with us all that this is an AI photo. Congratulations #12054163

Alejandro Cerutti September 26, 2023 1

That's why the photo was entered into the TECHNIQUE category and not into PORTRAIT category. By the way, image was created with the HELP of A.I., but not BY A.I. pressing just one button. It was a 1-2 hours process, requiring visual decisions I made. A.I. is the new Photoshop. Good idea to separate A.I. from technique into a new and more narrowed category. Greetings! #12054275

Martha R. Mazon September 26, 2023 2

Thanks for the clarifying comment, Alejandro. Perhaps a description like, "image processed with AI" would have conveyed your process more clearly than "image created with AI". The latter implies that the woman is a creation of the software rather than a person photographed by you. AI is a big blank for me as it is for perhaps many in the community. I'm interesting in learning more about what can and cannot do. #12054310

Melinda F. Schneider September 26, 2023 1

Well said, Martha. And Alejandro, the image is very lovely. I did not even know that AI processing was available; how/where can we learn more about this promising technique?Thanks. #12054312

Alejandro Cerutti September 26, 2023

I have problems expressing myself in English, since my language is Spanish, and the terms to refer to AI are very new. "Processed" and "Created with" to me sounds the same, but, I am not an English native speaker. The girl, and everything else was created by the A.I. software following my requests; or, in other words "the girl, and everything else was created within A.I. interface software". That girl doesn't exist, I didn't start from a portrait. I created the face under the Dall-e software; but is not that it is created in one click, you have to ask what you want,the style, and you have to fix errors. Then I took the face to Photoshop, and extended around the face step by step, using the new Photoshop tool called Generative Fill. Again, is not that the image appears as you see it, but I have to work on it until I got something that looked good. That's why the process took one or two hours, I do not recall precisely. But it takes time and decision making; it is the work of A.I. but I guide it. This is all new; similar to what happened with painting when photography was created, then what happened to film photography when digital photography and Photoshop was created. A.I. is here as a tool and it will remain around. I saw an opportunity to share what is possible to do with A.I. in the Technique category, because A.I. is Technique in my opinion. A new world arrived to image making. Greetings! #12054323

Martha R. Mazon September 26, 2023 1

Thanks so much for explaining, Alejandro. It sounds like a fascinating art form. But just as a photograph is not a painting, an AI-generated image is not a photograph, but something else. It seems to me that it needs a new name for itself. Thank you for sharing this new frontier! #12054325

Alejandro Cerutti September 26, 2023

Yes, I agree that there are areas that overlaps. Like, what is the difference between asking Photoshop to modify an area or asking it to AI, or making a mix (digital capture (or film capture) + Photoshop + AI , etc. Anyway, since there are discussions about photography since 1830's, my personal decision is not to participate in discussions but on keep generating images. What is or what it is not, I really don't pay too much attention; I am happy sharing the process info so everyone could look at the new tools and make their own aesthetic and artistic decisions. By looking for Dall-e and Photoshop Generative Tool in YouTube a lot of information is available. Greetings! #12054329

Michele Peterson September 26, 2023 2

Alejandro, this is a wonderful work of art, and I am amazed at the end product, it is beautiful. I think the concern is was this image taken with a camera and then processed/edited? If a camera was not used, then it is not a photograph, and should not be entered into a photography contest. #12054336

Alejandro Cerutti September 26, 2023

The word "photography" was created from the Greek roots "phōtós" (light), and "graphé" (drawing), together meaning "drawing with light". "Camera" does not enter into the root of the word. As far as you draw with light is photography. "Should" and "Should not" are eternal discussions started centuries ago, I don't care really. By the way, all major world PHOTOGRAPHY contests are accepting works created, fully or in part, using A.I. software. Greetings! #12054337

Dee Langevin September 26, 2023 3

Although I like this image, I don't believe it is photography. It belongs more in the realm of graphic design and I don't think it belongs in a photography contest. Any image that uses portions of work from another person or source, cannot be attributed to the photographer and belongs in a separate category. #12054345

Nikki McDonald September 28, 2023 1

This image did work out nicely for you, Alejandro. And I appreciate your willingness to share the steps of the process you used to create it. You say "By the way, all major world PHOTOGRAPHY contests are accepting works created, fully or in part, using A.I. software. " I would be very interested in reading about those contests and how, exactly, they are handling images generated with AI. Can you name some of them so I can look them up? Thank you. #12054474

Alejandro Cerutti September 28, 2023

Nikki: A.I. as a Category: PX3 Prix de la Photographie Paris; IPA International Photography Awards; TIFA Tokyo International Foto Awards; BIFA Budapest International Foto Awards; New York Center 4 Photographic Arts: "Experimental and mixed techniques are welcome". Back in the early 2000's photo contests used to be for film-captured photos only, because those ones modified with Photoshop were kind of 'NOT PHOTOGRAPHY'. Every new technological advance come with these discussions :) I imagine the moment the music was able to be recorded, with some people saying: "that is not music, if a person doesn't play an instrument it is not music". And so on :) Discussions are endless. Greetings! #12054484

Melinda F. Schneider September 28, 2023 1

My problem, Alejandro, is that a photography contest should start with a photograph that the photographer took. How it's edited after that original image is up to the photographer even if it bears little resemblance to the original. You have created a beautiful piece of art, but you did not start out with a photograph that you took. Just as an orchestra cannot claim to have "composed" a piece even though they are putting the conductor's own "spin" on it. #12054485

Judy Pilcher Pearson September 29, 2023

a stunning portrait, Alejandro, and such a well deserved GPW----extraordinary! #12054614

Judy Pilcher Pearson September 29, 2023

That said----I am NOT an advocate of AI-----taking the 'human' out of humanity is taking the heart out of photography! #12054618

Nikki McDonald September 29, 2023 1

Thank you so much for the information regarding photography contests accepting AI generated work. I did check out a few of them and found "A.I. as a Category" (as you said). By entering your image in Techniques (rather than People), you did the best you could with it given that BetterPhoto does not have an "AI" category. It has been suggested that BetterPhoto add an AI category; it would be my hope that Jim will do that - rather than allow AI images to compete against photo-based work. One of the contests you cited, IPA, has this to say about AI-Generated Images: “Acknowledging the emergence of AI technology in the industry, and to allow these images to be seen by a larger audience, IPA has added this new sub-category. However, it will not be judged against the other sub-categories for conventional photos and photography-based images.” Clearly, in their opinion, there is a difference between a photo and an AI generated image. #12054621

Alejandro Cerutti September 29, 2023

Yeah Nikki but, that is today; A.I. will be kind of a new Photoshop, today most photos have something adjusted in Photoshop, mostly when you start from RAW; now those contests have a "Film Only" category too; but, again, in the past there were the photographers that shoot BW film but had the chance to get prints in a way a regular photographer wouldn't (for example Ansel Adams); so there are so many variations. That point of IPA about A.I. is good, then would all the people tell it is A.I; etc? It is kind of a never-ending story. I agree it would be nice to have a more specific category "A.I." in BetterPhoto. :) Greetings! #12054629

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